TikTok’s Spying Scandal and ChatGPT’s Challenge to Google




Hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton

Produced by Davis Land

Edited by Paula Szuchman

Engineered by Alyssa Moxley

Original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop, Marion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto

Calls to ban TikTok or force its sell-off from its parent company ByteDance are gaining momentum, especially after reports of ByteDance’s surveillance of several U.S. journalists. And could Microsoft’s investment in OpenAI mark the end of Google’s search monopoly?

Also, New Year’s resolutions, including locking up your phone.

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On today’s episode:

  • Emily Baker-White, a technology reporter at Forbes who reports on TikTok.

Additional reading:

  • An inside view into Project Texas, TikTok’s plan to limit access to sensitive U.S. user data.

  • ByteDance used TikTok to track the location of journalists including Emily Baker-White.

  • On TikTok, Chinese state media outlets pushed divisive videos about U.S. politicians.

  • Shou Zi Chew, TikTok’s chief executive, is navigating the limits of his power.

  • The federal government and several states have banned TikTok on government-issued devices.

  • ChatGPT is a “code red” for Google Search.

  • Microsoft and OpenAI are working on a ChatGPT-powered version of Bing.


“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Davis Land. The show is edited by Paula Szuchman. Engineering by Alyssa Moxley and original music by Dan Powell, Elisheba Ittoop, Marion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto. Fact-checking by Caitlin Love.

Special thanks to Hanna Ingber, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.